just tried out ms flight sim 2002, and i'm convinced that it must be a bugged version. i mean, how else would you explain the fact that i can't fly a crummy 747 on my first try? ;-p stupid program. what does it think it is, telling me, "too much aileron"? i know how bloody much aileron to use! and turnslip be damned! rudder is for wimps! besides, slipping looks pretty cool from the outside view. :-p